I need to go to my leadership development class, or I’m being sent to a leadership development class. Remember you had to go to a class, it’s that time. Wortham: So when they need it, let me break it down. Kruse: Tell me more about this need-based approach. We need to empower leaders with access to the tools that they need to develop just when they need it. is a program called Leadership Empowered. The approach that we’ve taken in Sun Life U.S. So being able to marry the need with the business and the leaders to what you have available is super-duper critical. Tammi Wortham: It used to be, “if you build it, they will come.” We used to create these wonderfully huge programs and just say, “Hey, if we can get someone to just attend that class, thumbs up to leadership development.” Well, now it’s, “if they need it, they will join.” If they need it. Kevin Kruse: How do you approach leadership development? Leadership Development Needs to Be Demand-Driven This transcript has been edited for space and clarity. I recently had the opportunity to interview Tammi Wortham, Senior Vice President of Human Resources at Sun Life U.S. In the United States, Sun Life is one of the largest group benefits providers serving more than 55,000 employers. With a purpose to help people achieve lifetime financial security and to live healthier lives, Sun Life is a global financial services organization offering insurance, wealth, and asset management solutions. How do you scale leadership development to over 600 distributed managers? What are the leadership capabilities people-managers need to thrive in the new world of work? You'd think I was some kind of convicted murderer or bank robber or something.Tammi Wortham, Senior Vice President of Human Resources at Sun Life U.S. Both of these companies take trucking school grads right out of the schools and train them. Can companies see which other companies that you've applied to and if you've been declined or not? Because I"m thinkin MACCAWAW saw that Eagle declined my app, then they called Eagle to find out why, and now MACCAWAW doesn't want to take a chance on me. Now MACCAWAW never even returned my email or phone call today. So what I've done now is apply to MACCAWAW transport. Any way, back to my question about pulse. Does that sound fishy to you? I had a 93 GPA at the trucking school to. I got one dui in 1985 (35 years ago), then another dui in 1995 (25 years ago). I texted the manager who interviewed me about the decline and he tells me that he regrets to inform me that I was declined because I had two dui's in a lifetime and that they only accept 1 dui in a lifetime more than 10 years ago. I applied in the pulse app, went to an interview, they were requesting all kinds of documents through the pulse app, I think I'm getting the job for sure, then all the sudden the app says Eagle declined my application. I wanted to get on with Eagle Transport hauling gasoline as the starting pay is better for hazmat. AND I have a clean driving record with absolutely no moving violations going back 15 years, and +5 points on my driving record. I've even got a TWIC card and everything. I have hazmat, tanker, double-triples endorsements. I just completed trucking school and got my Class A combination.